2008-10-14 19:29 The Oprah Winfrey Interview 歐普拉專訪 1993
躺在氧氣艙裡的照片，歐普拉專訪中提到，那時他幫百事可樂拍廣告頭皮燒傷獲得巨額賠償，他把錢捐給燒燙中心，氧氣艙是用來治療病患，MJ看一看摸一摸，因為好奇躺進去試試，被有心人拍照，上了八封報紙頭條。
傳出高價購買象人屍骨是為了宣傳Bad專輯的炒作方式，黑猩猩是夢幻莊園動物園的動物，玉婆也買了一頭大象送給MJ。2005年的十項判決完全無罪。MJ本人患有白斑症。整型渉及個人隱私，非關音樂，陽台上的小貝比不慎越過欄杆不超過兩秒，現在都非常地健康。
1993年2月10日，美國著名“脫口秀”主持人歐普拉OprahWinfrey在Neverland河谷牧場專訪MJ。這次訪談當時由ABC電視網進行了全球現場直播，僅美國國內就有8500萬人收看，成為了史上收視率第四高的電視節目，也是ABC電視網製作的最成功的娛樂特輯。這是MJ自1979年後，首度公開受訪，而且是全球現場直播。麥可坦言與布魯克雪德絲(Brooke Shields)來往，還有另一位曾談過戀愛的對象，除了之後與麥可走得最近的麗莎瑪麗(Lisa Marie)外，最有可能是指初戀泰妲歐尼爾。
布魯克雪德絲在2009年接受專訪提到1991年她與麥可最後一次見面，很顯然是記錯了， 因為1993年布魯克雪德絲仍陪伴麥可出席了葛萊美(Grammy)領取當代傳奇獎。
近日接受美國E! 頻道採訪時，美國脫口秀女王歐普拉（Oprah Winfrey）被問到她是否曾在每次上節目之前感到過緊張。
歐普拉說， Michael Jackson是唯一一位讓她感到緊張的男性名人。
Michael Made Oprah Nervous
(10-12-2008) In an interview to E! US talk show host Oprah Winfrey was asked whether she ever gets nervous before her shows. Winfrey said that Michael Jackson was the only male celebrity she ever got nervous interviewing. In 1992, she interviewed him during a live around-the-world broadcast.
製作：Debra Di Maio
導演：Roger Goodman
聯合制作：Wendy S. Roth、ABC電視臺
觀眾A：他全球知名，舞跳得又好！小時候唱歌已十分好聽！
觀眾B：他的歌聲伴隨著我成長，他是個奇才！
觀眾C：這孩子樣樣皆精，與眾不同,獨一無二！
觀眾D：他的為人與音樂都不落俗套!
觀眾E：人們為他瘋狂，為看他一眼不惜互相踐踏！
觀眾F：他是演藝界至尊！
觀眾G：我真不知他如何能跳出這種舞步！
觀眾H：他是一流歌手,我愛他！
觀眾I：他是天才！
觀眾J：他是“流行音樂之王”！
觀眾K：他真棒！我七十多歲尚且欣賞他,年輕人更可想而知！
觀眾L：我認為他震古鑠今！
觀眾M：他是喜歡音樂的人士的恩物！
觀眾N：我希望他放下城府,展現真我！
主持人Oprah Winfrey出場
O：晚上好！我是Oprah Winfrey，現在向北美及全球各國直播，獨家採訪聞名天下的超級巨星——MJ!現在我置身於他在加州的家中，位於聖芭芭拉效外的一個牧場。他打破各項音樂記錄，多年來拒絕訪問，拒絕定型，25年來開創舞蹈錄影帶時代潮流，一舉一動皆受世人注目！今晚，MJ會展現他令人咋舌的庭居，包括私人影院與正規遊樂園！你還可以欣賞到他最新的音樂錄影！在以下90分鐘未經剪輯的節目中，MJ會史無前例地展現真我！今晚，他將打破沉默！今晚……MJ！
MJ家的起居室
O：MJ的家與想像中大有出入，我以為會有駱駝與猩猩跑來跑去，別會錯意，我猜錯了！2700英畝的牧場內有不少新奇玩意，不過他起居的地方美侖美奐！圖書室放滿了精裝的經典著作，牆上還掛著畫，大出我們意料！在採訪此間主人之前，先看看他的出身，他的身世令人動容！
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O：MJ在九兄弟姐妹中排行第七，父親約瑟夫，是鋼鐵廠工人，母親凱薩琳。據說電視機壞了，他們便組織樂隊，但一開始表演就一鳴驚人，出道的地方名為“摩頓”。
鏡頭切換到MJ與兄弟們作表演
這段在摩頓唱片公司試音的錄影帶顯示，詹姆斯·布朗對MJ影響。當天公司上下都來看他的表演，摩頓的頭頭Berry Gordy便是識貨之人！從此他們的唱片大破紀錄！連續四首歌榮登流行榜首！MJ一家生活從此天翻地覆！從寂寂無名變為天皇巨星！經常巡迴演唱，上電視亮相。而年紀最小的MJ最受注目！榜首歌曲越來越多，MJ開始獨當一面，每張大碟都成為金唱片。Jackson 5 越來越受歡迎，音樂亦與時代並進，但這些男孩子終歸會慢慢長大，那時誰會想到MJ未來的成就？
錄影片中的小MJ接受訪問
問：你變聲後怎麼辦?
答：隨之改變咯!
問：還可以繼續唱歌嗎？
答：可以！
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回到MJ家裏採訪現場
O：各位觀眾，MJ！
音樂響起，MJ出場。
O：在你的家中。現在有多緊張？
MJ：什麼？
O：現在你有多緊張？
MJ：一點也不緊張，我從不緊張的。
O：真的？第一次接受全球直播訪問也不緊張？還說會有一點，這就好了，因為你不緊張，所以我也不緊張。我想讓大家知道，我們有言在先：你答應過言無不盡，而今晚的問題未經商議，我只想表明這一點。
MJ：的確如此。
O：完全如此。剛才你在幕後看到自己早年的片斷，舊事是否湧上心頭？
MJ：呵呵，我忍不住笑起來，因為好久沒看了，勾出段段回憶，不錯。我和我深愛的兄弟，實在很溫馨。
O：你看到自己唱“寶貝”（“Baby, Baby, Baby”）跳了起來。
MJ：是的。我認為占姆斯·布朗確是奇才，組成“Famous Flames”樂隊時簡直出神入化！以前看電視時老生攝影師的氣，因為他一跳舞，就拍大特寫，我看不到他的舞步，老是很火光，大叫：‘拍全身！’好能模仿他。
O：他算是你的師傅？
MJ：對！技驚四座！
O：還有哪些人？
MJ：Jackie Wilson，他聲色藝俱全。當然還有摩頓公司裏的藝人們、Bee Gees樂隊等，我喜歡動聽的音樂。
O：為了拍這個節目，我看過你每一段錄影，看著那些片斷，尤其是早年的，你表演時的確發出奇光異彩，即使是小時候，已非池中物，你臺上台下都那麼開心嗎？
MJ：對我來說，舞臺就是家，我總覺得怡然自得，現在亦然，但我一步下舞臺,便會很傷感。
O：真的?
MJ：是的。
O：自從一出道，一成名就傷感?
MJ：孤獨,傷感,面對成名的壓力。我與兄弟們也度過不少好時光,嬉戲打架,但總會因孤獨而哭泣。
O：從何時開始?
MJ：很小,八九歲。
O：在成名之後?
MJ：是的。
O：並非外界想的那麼開心風光? ……我記得當時我還是個小女孩，我做夢都想嫁給你哥
哥傑基·傑克遜。我的意思是我們都認為成就名利是世界上最美妙的事情,誰不想要那樣的生活?
MJ：出名的確有很多好處,可以周遊各地,大開眼界,不過也有不為人知的一面,我並非不滿,只是很多彩排,占去不少私人時間,要作出不少犧牲。
O：你是否感覺……我前幾天找Susan de Passe談過，她在摩頓公司工作的時候就為你們打理事務，還為你們上Ed Sullivan 節目作過準備。我們談到的是：到底你是否失去了童年。
MJ：那時,每天補習三四個小時,接著就去錄音室錄音,一錄就幾個小時,直至上床睡覺.錄音室對面的公園,有孩子在玩,他們興高采烈、吵鬧不休,我聽著總是忍不住哭,自己偏偏要工作,總覺得傷感。
O：我想看看蘇珊對你童年的看法，重溫一下你小時候的片斷。
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（10歲小MJ接受訪問）
問：形容一下你的表演。
答：我做的東西？大部分是快歌。
問：你投入什麼？
答：我唱的歌都是自己的真心話，若不是真心話，我就不會唱。
前摩頓公司創作部主任/公司總裁Susan de Passe：我認識MJ時,他快十歲了,不折不扣的小孩子,但一上臺,就活脫脫一個天皇巨星。他不到十二歲便失去了童年,去哪兒都要有保鏢、轎車,以躲避瘋狂的歌迷。不能去公園、看電影、看天空,我覺得成名令他付出沉重的代價!
回到現場
O：蘇珊說那是沉重的代價。我想知道這個代價到底有多大？到底失去童年是什麼滋味?
MJ：不能做其他小孩子可以做的事,大家視為理所當然的事：和朋友嬉戲談心,到處溜達……我從沒份兒,小時也沒有朋友,兄弟們便是我的朋友。
O：每個小孩子都會有一個想像的天地,一個可以逃避現實的童心世界，而你小時候有這樣的機會嗎?
MJ：正因為沒有,現在才需要補償.人們總納悶我為何整天跟孩子玩,因為,在他們身上,我找到我失去的。狄斯奈樂園,遊樂場,電子遊戲……小時候我喜歡得不得了,但工作總是排得滿滿的。不是演唱會就是錄音，不然就是上電視、訪問、拍照，總是馬不停蹄。
O：有包括斯麥期·羅伯臣在內的很多人都說你是個老成的孩子。
MJ：小時候,人們說我是個45歲的孩子,我聽在耳裏,但從不上心,就如人們問我是否知道自己很棒,我都說從未細想,自然流露的,我從未細想。
O：原來冠軍唱片無數的MJ會因為自己不能像別的小孩子一樣玩耍而哭泣。
MJ：我酷愛演藝事業,現在亦然.但有時也會想去玩兒。記得有一次去南美登臺，當準備開車時，我躲了起來，一面躲一面哭，我實在不想去，我想玩，我不想登臺。
O：你風頭最勁，兄弟會否眼紅？
MJ：據我所知，沒有，沒有。
O：有否感到他們妒忌？
MJ：讓我想想，沒有。他們都很高興我有某種特長，我從不覺得他們妒忌。
O：那他們現在又有沒有妒忌你呢？
MJ：我看沒有，沒有。
O：和家人關係如何？仍然親密？
MJ：我深愛家人，希望可以多見他們一點，不過大家都幹這行，各有各忙。我們也有家庭日，歡聚一堂，到時就挑某個人的家，比如傑艾米的家或馬龍的家或蒂托的家，然後濟濟一堂，聯絡感情，聊天，互道近況。
O：娜托雅出的書沒令你們不快？
MJ：我沒看過娜托雅的書，我只知道我愛她，永遠也會。在我心中她永遠是小時候的她，所以這個問題我回答不了。
O：她提到的事有多少是真的？
MJ：我答不上來，Oprah，我沒看過她的書，這是真話。
O：談回你痛苦的童年，從沒有玩伴？從沒有睡衣舞會？
MJ：從來沒有，從來沒有。
O：我想知道，你小時候這麼可愛，而且音樂天份橫溢，青春期對你有何影響？因為青春期一切都很彆扭，而你這個童星步入青春期，那期間是否特別難受？
MJ：相當，相當難受。每個童星都為感到為難，因為趣致可愛不再，開始成長，而他們想你永遠也長不大。
O：他們是誰 ？
MJ：大眾。而成長是自然規律。
O：是嗎？
MJ：是的。那時暗瘡滿面，羞得不敢見人，我不敢照鏡子，摸黑洗臉，簡直不敢照鏡。爸爸也嘲笑我，討厭死了，天天為此而哭。
O：你爸爸嘲笑你滿臉暗瘡？
MJ：是的，他說我難看死了。
O：你爸爸這樣說你？
MJ：是的。抱歉，約瑟夫。
O：你們父子關係如何？
MJ：我愛我爸爸，但我不瞭解他。
O：生他氣嗎？他這樣做不近人情。
MJ：生不生他氣？
O：就算沒人嘲笑，青春期也夠難受的了。
MJ：很難受。生不生他氣？有時也很氣，我對他並不瞭解。媽媽是慈母，十全十美，我也希望能瞭解爸爸。
O：不如談談那段日子，你從那時起便回避他人？距離你最後一次電視採訪已14年，故意遁世，是為了保護自己？
MJ：當時覺得沒什麼好說的，那幾年相當傷感。
O：你在臺上狂歌勁舞，得獎無數，為什麼傷感？
MJ：生活，父親，一切都教人神傷，我實在非常非常傷感。
O：他揶揄你，嘲笑你？有沒有打你？
MJ：有的。
O：挨完打還要上臺演出？為什麼打你？
MJ：也許因為我最有前途，也許他相信：棒棍出孝子。他很嚴厲，很嚴格，朝你看一眼你就魂飛魄散。
O：你怕他嗎？
MJ：怕得很！有時他來看我，我就噁心，開始作嘔。
O：小時候還是長大後？
MJ：從小到大。他從沒聽過我說這番話，抱歉，別生我的氣。
O：人人都要為自己的所作所為負責，你爸爸也不例外。
MJ：我敬愛他。
O：我明白。
MJ：我不是個記仇的人。
O：你真的可以原諒他？如果不曾正視自己的感受，就不能從受害者身份轉而原諒人。
MJ：我可以去原諒。傳媒對我的報導渲染失實，一派胡言！我想談談這個問題，報張無中生有，嘩眾取寵，生安白造！我發覺謊言重複多次後，人們就開始相信，外間對我的報導都是無中生有！
O：下一節我們會逐項求證。
MJ：逐項求證？
O：逐項求證！待會我們會澄清真相！
插播廣告後重回現場
O：在上一節，MJ暢談成長及成名的感受，又表示他爸爸曾打過他，我相信你說的是真心話，不過無法求證無從稽考，剛才又提到各種江湖傳聞，我素來不事先寫下問題，不過傳聞太多，我又不想忘記。 剛才打燈準備的時候我便到處逛，趁你不覺四處溜噠，想找到氧氣艙，找來找去都找不到。
MJ：真是天方夜譚，又是八卦雜誌，憑空捏造的！
（螢幕打出MJ躺在氧氣艙的照片）
O：不過照片上的你確實是躺在艙裏的，這從何而來？到底是怎麼一回事？
MJ：我為百事可樂拍廣告，嚴重燒傷，收到100萬賠償，我全部捐了出來，建了“MJ燒傷中心”，那氧氣艙是來治療傷者的！我又看又摸，最後決定躺進去試試，有人拍了照，沖曬出來後，發現是我——MJ！因此照片便發佈全球，帶著謊言！為什麼有人相信這些鬼話？希望大家在沒跟某人面談過之前，不要妄下判斷！不管報導怎麼說都好，都是胡說！
O：沒錯，傳聞不脛而走。
MJ：胡說八道，我為什麼要睡氧氣艙？（笑）
O：傳聞說你想青春常駐。
MJ：胡說八道，我實在尷尬！我願意原諒報張，原諒所有人，我深信博愛，寬容之道，但拜託各位，別相信那些鬼話！
O：可買過“象人”遺骨？想不想買？
MJ：又是生安白造！我欣賞“象人”的故事，教我感懷身世，引起共鳴，好比我的寫照，我每次看都會哭，……但我從沒想過要去買，骨頭往哪里放？
O：我也不知道。
MJ：我要骸骨幹嘛？
O：我也不知道，從哪兒傳來的？
MJ：某人生安白造，人人信以為真！謊言多次重複，就教人相信！
O：對！有人靠賣八卦雜誌賺錢。最近你的律師舉行記者會闢謠，傳聞你想用白人小孩代替你出演百事可樂的廣告。
MJ：簡直荒天下之大謬！荒謬透頂！為什麼？廣告中我小時候的模樣，為什麼要用白人小孩代替自己？我是黑人，並以此為榮！我以我的膚色，種族為榮！我以我自己為榮，我有我尊嚴！就好比你以東方人代替自己，說得通嗎？
O：不！
MJ：拜託大家別再相信這些鬼話！
O：談談頗受爭議的一件事，你的膚色顯然與小時候不同，大家對這種變化揣測紛紜，你是否漂白過皮膚？不喜歡當黑人而漂白皮膚？
MJ：第一，據我所知沒有漂白皮膚這回事。我沒見識過，也不知內中乾坤。
O：我從小就聽說有種產品“常用令膚色潔白”，但要用上3000加侖才見效。
MJ：是嗎？但我說的第一點，就是這樣，我確實不知道。我患上皮膚失調症，皮膚色素受損，非我所能控制。說我以黑人為恥，我很痛心！這是一種病，我控制不了！反過來說，無數人曬太陽變黑，以求古銅色皮膚，卻無人異議。
O：你的皮膚從什麼時候開始變化的？
MJ：噢，我不怎麼確切記得……大約是在我發行《Thriller》專輯之後，反正就是在發行《Off The Wall》和《Thriller》的那段時間左右。
O：有何感受？
MJ：爸爸說是他那系的隱疾，我控制不了也不明白，很傷心，具體情況是隱私，我不想談，但事實是這樣。
O：我只想弄清楚一點：你沒有服藥改變膚色？
MJ：上帝啊，當然沒有！現在靠化妝補救，因為是一塊塊的白斑，要靠化妝弄勻。最好笑是，有什麼了不起？對我並不重要，我熱愛藝術，我欣賞米開羅斯基，要是可以跟他面談，我想知道他的靈感源泉是什麼？而非伴侶是誰，為何曝曬？……對我而言，他的藝術造詣最重要！
O：你做過多少整容手術？
MJ：很少，不多於兩項。那位八卦人士想知道的話，去看我的書《Moonwalk》好了。都在書裏。我們這麼說吧：要是好萊塢所有整過容的人都去度假，那裏一定變成死城！
O：說得也對！
MJ：我沒說錯，一定變成死城！
O：是否不滿長相而整容？
MJ：說不上，看我的書吧，沒什麼大不了！
O：你不想明指哪些部位，很明顯，鼻子整過。
MJ：是的，但很多人都整過！
O：但人們說你大整特整……
MJ：我沒整過顴骨，沒整過雙眼，嘴唇也沒整過，傳得太過分了！千千萬萬的人也整容！
O：你滿意現在的樣子嗎？
MJ：我從來不會滿意，我追求完美！天性如此。
O：現在看到鏡中的你，會不會滿意自己的模樣？“我今天挺俊！”
MJ：呵呵……不會，“我今天挺俊”？我從不看鏡，我從不滿意長相，總是把工作做好就算。
O：很多為人母的觀眾叫我問你：為什麼整天抓褲襠？
MJ：呵呵……“為什麼整天抓褲襠？”
O：為什麼？大家以為你那兒有事！
MJ：我覺得是潛意識作怪，跳舞的人總要演繹音樂，有低音提琴，就變成低音提琴，有大提琴，你也要溶入其中，自身的感情受音樂支配，所以有時動作是受音樂驅使，並非預先計畫好要抓褲襠，是沒經細想，自然流露的。有時回看片斷我也很驚訝……我會說，“我真的那麼做了嗎？”我是節奏的奴隸，是的，就是這樣。
直播突然中斷，廣告時間，MJ主要成就一覽
世界最暢銷專輯
世界第2暢銷專輯
史上最大規模的巡演
獲得最多的獎項
擁有80年代最多冠軍單曲
最高廣告身價——15,000,000美元
價值十億美元的娛樂合約
十年最佳藝人……
重回直播現場
O：當你打破所有唱片記錄，打破所有銷量記錄，成為行內天皇巨星，是否有進一步的壓力？
MJ：的確有，要更上一層樓變得更難。因為你要儘量推陳出新，聽從自己的心聲。
O：是否要靠冥想思考下個主題，比如，你考慮說，好吧，我要去超級杯上表演？
MJ：呵呵……不，我只聽從自己的心聲。
O：由於是直播，事前未經準備，房子也受不了打燈照射，結果防火警鐘響了起來，所以我們剛才暫時打住。還有一點要澄清，外界傳聞,我之所以可以採訪你,是因為同意尊稱你為“流行音樂之王”。事實上MJ沒有要求我這樣稱頌他, 其實我也根本沒有這樣推崇過你。老實說,這名號有不足之嫌,大家都公認你是最偉大藝人,你應該是演藝界至尊，是流行、搖滾兼靈歌界的至尊。到底“流行音樂之王”這名號從何而來?
MJ：我從來沒有以什麼名號自居,我活著已經開心了,我滿足于現時的身份。“流行音樂之王”這個名號是伊莉莎白•泰勒起的。
O：我們有錄影片斷,播來看看。
（錄影片段播放中）
伊莉莎白•泰勒：各位,1989年文化遺產獎及小薩米•大衛斯獎得主——流行樂、搖滾樂兼靈歌樂之王MJ!!!
回到現場
O：這名號從此流傳開來?
MJ：是的,從此歌迷在所有的音樂會,都帶著印有“流行音樂之王”的橫額,或在酒店外大叫“流行音樂之王”! “流行音樂之王”!!從此就流傳開來了。
O：傳遍全世界?
MJ：是的。
O：你沒要求我叫你“流行音樂之王”。
MJ：沒有！當然沒有！我為什麼要這樣做?
O：我一直叫你MJ。
MJ：是的！報章總是喜歡添油加醋!拜託，別相信小報!
O：你約會異性嗎？
MJ：有！
O：與誰約會？
MJ：現時約的是波姬•小絲*。我們甚少外出，多數留在家中，有時她來，有時我去她家中，
我不喜歡公開露面。
*指Brooke Shields(布魯克雪德絲，藍色珊瑚礁女主角，也是MJ當時的女友)
O：你談過戀愛嗎？
MJ：談過。
O：與波姬？
MJ：對，還有另一個女孩。
O：還有另一個？
MJ：對！
O：還有個尷尬問題，我姑且問你：你是否還是處男？
MJ：（按額，笑）你怎能問人家這種問題？
O：我想知道！
MJ：我是個紳士！
O：你是個紳士？
MJ：我是個紳士！
O：換言之，你認為淑女應該冰清玉潔……
MJ：這是私事，不應公開談論！算我守舊好了，不過這是私事！
O：所以你不打算回答？
MJ：太難為情了！（笑）
O：好吧。那麼我們想知道，你會不會成家立室？
MJ：不成家立室，一生未算完滿，因為我熱愛家庭生活，我熱愛孩子，成家立室是我的夢想之一！可惜現時與工作結了婚，我和音樂結合了，搞音樂一定要全情投入。
O：哪類女性令你……，在節目後面將要播出的音樂錄影中，你提到的“撲熄欲火”，哪種人可以做到這樣？
MJ：（唱）“撲熄欲火”？（想了一會兒）波姬！我一向喜歡她！還有，小時候與兄弟們跟著戴安娜•羅絲，在她身邊好幾年，期間我一直暗戀她（戴安娜•羅絲）。
O：真的？
MJ：對！
O：傳聞你曾向伊莉莎白•泰勒求婚？
MJ：伊莉莎白•泰勒美豔動人，今時依然！我為她傾倒！
O：可有向她求婚？
MJ：我也想！
O：她來了，讓她出鏡好嗎？她說過想在節目一直握住你的手給你鼓勁，但現在看來你的狀況出奇的好。伊莉莎白•泰勒！
（伊莉莎白•泰勒出場）
O：Hi。
E：Hi……
O：MJ可有向你求婚？
E：沒有！我也沒向他求過婚！
O：好的。那麼你認為人們對MJ最大的誤解是什麼？
E：你剛才所提及的東西！他是最正常不過的人！為人極有頭腦，精明，直覺力強，有同情心，善解人意，慷慨得幾乎過份！要說古怪之處，就是他超越了真實的人生，有的人不能接受、面對或理解。他是表演的天才，故我叫他流行樂、搖滾樂、靈魂樂和演藝之王！無人可跟他相提並論！無人可跳出這種舞、寫出這種歌、引起像他那般的哄動！
O：是什麼令你們成為知心好友？有的人說得很不堪入耳！
E：沒有的事！我們的童年很相似，這是我們最早期的共通點。我9歲當童星，父親暴虐，
這種經歷讓我們很談得來！
O：這個問題我待會兒將問MJ。那麼，你最想讓世人瞭解他什麼？
E：明白他多麼有愛心，慷慨與關懷，明白他人有多麼的好！
O：還很風趣呢！
E：非常的搞笑！
O：他很會搞笑呢，我知道！
E：是的，他是個好人！
O：謝謝你接受訪問，我知你本來不想出鏡，謝謝你！下節MJ向我們展示遊樂園與影劇院，他還會作精彩的舞蹈表演，那些說他是用鏡子鑲在襪底表演“太空步”的人，下節向你們奉上證據！
MJ與Oprah在牧場莊園中，MJ開著遊覽車
0：我最詫異的是，你開起車來……各位觀眾，現在我們來到了MJ家裏的遊樂園,方圓約七百碼,實在壯觀!
MJ：過獎!
O：這是為自己而建，還是為了接待小朋友？
MJ：是為了自己和小朋友。每隔三周會有小朋友到這裏來。
O：是“許願”基金會，“夢想街”基金會，“星光”基金會他們送來的孩子吧？
MJ：是的。每隔三周，我便要款待一些癌症病童，他們到這裏玩耍。他們玩得很開心。
O：太難以置信了。我跟來過這兒的孩子交談過，他們說這裏的設施絕不古老，全是大型的機動遊樂設施！有摩天輪、旋轉木馬、八爪魚、鬼屋、碰碰車。真的壯觀。
MJ：謝謝。這些東西帶出了每個人的童心。我喜歡機動遊戲，並和孩子們一起分享。
O：你小時候經常玩這些嗎？
MJ：有時可以，但總是太少！
O：現在你可以隨時來玩！
MJ：每天都來，就在我後院嘛。
O：每天在家中都要來玩一陣子，以前未能經歷過的正常童年，現在來實現兒時夢想？
MJ：這是一種補償。對！的確如此。
0：真的可以重溫美夢嗎？感覺是否一樣？我可不知道。
MJ：（笑）更好玩兒！
O：真的？
MJ：就算可以，我也不會改變過去。我現在很開心！
O：我們現在來到了電影院，我吃糖吃得太多了。糖是給小朋友的。這裏還有ET外星人、小木偶皮諾曹。最有意思的是你很有童心，小孩子就當你是其中一份子，不過小孩子不會建這種東西，的確壯觀！
MJ：過獎！我喜歡為孩子服務，耶穌是我的榜樣，我並非以耶穌自居，我效法耶穌。他主張保持童心，愛護孩子，像孩子一樣純真，從孩子的眼光欣賞奇妙的世界，我很欣賞這點！有時邀請百位癌症病童來這裏玩，他們四處奔跑，興高采烈，能令他們開心我高興得哭了出來，覺得很欣慰。
O：一個月前來拍宣傳短片時，給我印象最深的是入牆式病房，它是提供給到訪病童的特殊套間，若非真心關愛孩子絕不會想到！
MJ：是的。有的孩子要接受靜脈注射，臥病在床，不能坐直，這些都是醫院病床，按掣就可以自動調校，可以欣賞魔術表演，電影，卡通……好讓他們進入魔幻世界，一個我小時候不能參與的世界。
O：我認為每件事都有根可尋，要是你有一個正常快樂的童年，還會像今天這麼關心小朋友嗎？
MJ：多半可以，但程度不及，所以我不想改變過去，因為我對現狀非常滿意。
O：悲傷多時，終於可以快樂起來了？
MJ：悲傷多年，現在很快樂。目標在望，我很快樂！
O：是什麼令你快樂起來？
MJ：有回饋及幫助他人的能力，我組織了“治癒世界”基金會以幫助全世界的孩子。現在我們正著手羅省“治癒洛杉磯”計畫，目標有三：“孩子免疫計畫”、“大哥哥大姐姐計畫”、“防止濫用藥物教育計畫”。前總統吉米•卡特也加入了我們，要開展“治癒亞特蘭大”計畫。我們會逐個州逐個州的去開展。我們還到過薩拉熱窩等其他很多地方開展項目。
O：我知道，我有你各地的照片。在上一節，在警鐘響起來之前，我們談及一個最荒誕的謠言，有人傳言你的舞步是騙人的玩意，全靠在襪子裏放鏡子之類，說你根本跳不來。
MJ：哦，上帝。
O：這顯然是謠言。
MJ：當然不是真的。
O：我們花了不少時間澄清謠言，沒好好談過如何構思舞步與音樂，“太空步”是如何構思出來的？
MJ：“太空步”是可愛的小朋友所創，貧民區內的黑人小孩，他們很聰明，很有舞蹈天份，所有嶄新的流行舞步均是他們所創，我不過改進了一下。
O：我想你跳給我看！
MJ：噢，不要。
O：我想你跳給我看！我想你即席表演！
MJ：我只可以跳幾步，有點生疏了。
（“危險”音樂響起，MJ上臺跳起了舞）
MJ：這就是“太空步”——等等，你要從側面拍。
O：必須要側面？
MJ：你們現在不是在正面拍攝嗎？
O：哦，我明白你的意思了！
MJ：從側面拍才看得到效果。
O：好的。你能表演一下慢動作嗎？
MJ：好。等等。這就像腳步間的推滑……
（MJ舞畢下臺）
MJ：抱歉。
O：我親眼看到了！我親眼看到了！我親眼看到了！[鼓掌]你是在模仿發明舞步的孩子？
MJ：對！他們才是真正的舞蹈家。
O：拍宣傳片時，你正準備在超級杯……
MJ：你說過跟我一起跳的！（笑）
O：我不會跳，你明知我不會跳！所有關於我的傳聞中，唯一屬實的就是我不會跳舞！（MJ笑）上次來拍宣傳短片時，你一面拍一面構思舞步，編舞，通宵跳舞。
MJ：你說是為超級杯表演作準備的那次嗎？
O：對！
MJ：是的，我從不滿意，即使人們對我的演出五體投地。在摩頓唱片公司25周年紀念晚會上表演了“太空步”後，我很不開心，在後臺痛哭。
0：你那次表演完後居然在後臺痛哭？
MJ：對！不過走去車子的時候，有個12歲的猶太孩子對我說：“啊，你真棒！是誰教你跳的？！”那時我才首次覺得自己棒，因為孩子不會騙人。當時覺得開心極了！
0：一定開心得忍不住“HEH-HEH”（模仿MJ）
MJ：Heh-heh!（笑）
0：我想你為我清唱一段。
MJ：噢，不，唱什麼呢？
0：唱“Who is it”吧，反正在這裏，現唱出拍子來。
MJ：唱什麼呢？“Who is it”……？
0：“Heh-heh ”兩聲從何而來？
MJ：Heh-heh……（表演口技，清唱“Who is it”） I gave my money, I gave my time, I gave her everything in life one heart could find. It doesn't seem to matter
and it doesn't seem right, but the will has brought no fortune, still I cry
alone at night. Don't you judge of my composure cause I'm bothered every day,
and she didn't leave a letter, she just up and ran away……
O：噢！太棒了！
MJ：你竟然讓我清唱。真難為情。抱歉，我有點難為情。
O：我非常喜歡。多謝你了。太棒了！（擁抱Michael）
（MJ音樂錄影帶集錦重播）
O：之所以重溫這些錄影，因為以前音樂錄影帶裏歌手一般都是純唱歌，直至你的出現。當時可知自己在帶領潮流？
MJ：知道！我希望一部音樂錄影有頭有尾，就像一部小電影，“Beat It”、“Thriller”、
“Smooth Criminal”等都是用這種模式。
O：所以一接觸到一首歌或一項表演，腦海就開始構思？
MJ：對，的確如此。
O：我五音不全，但經常納悶，在人山人海面前表演有何感受？我在籌備這場訪問期間印象是深的就是看到你很多的演唱會剪輯，裏面的觀眾們如癡如醉！沒見過的話現在可一開眼界！
（MJ演唱會片段重播）
O：面前的人海如癡如醉,高呼你的名字,是何感受?
MJ：覺得受到許多人的愛護,我很榮幸作為上帝的樂器,每次歌唱,都會覺得榮幸與開心。
O：“上帝的樂器”？這個比喻很妙！你是否觸靈？
MJ：此話怎講？
O：有沒有冥想？可相信神靈？
MJ：我相信上帝，深信不疑！
O：每個人降生於世都有原因，大部人在都追求生命的意義,你認為你的生命意義是什麼?
MJ：我的生命意義?透過音樂與舞蹈,奉獻出自己。我忠於藝術,藝術的最終目的是結合肉體與精神,塵世與神聖,這是藝術的最終意義。而我,就是把音樂,愛,和諧,帶給小孩子,年青人的使者。
O：現在澄清的謠言，也許人們從此會多注意你的音樂，而並非對你個人評頭品足。
MJ：但願如此，最好不過！
O：我也希望這次訪問達到這個目的！我很興奮現在全世界都在看著我們。而正因為他們在看著我們，所以現在我們為大家奉上MJ的新音樂錄影“Give In To Me”。
(“Give In To Me”音樂錄影全球首播 )
O：那麼，這首歌是怎麼孕育而成的？
MJ：噢，說到“Give In To Me”，當時我是想寫一首刺激有趣的歌曲，帶一點搖滾味道的，就像 “Beat It”和“Black or White”一樣。Slash是我的好朋友，我們都喜歡動物什麼的，趣味相投，當時就想讓他在我的歌裏彈吉他。後來一起去了德國，我們在兩個小時內拍好了這部音樂錄影。因為當時我們時間安排都很緊。我們想拍成搖滾演唱會一樣，有狂野的表演和激情的歌迷。這就是我們的成果。
O：提到動物，我想我離開這後，人人都會問我，“動物們在哪兒？”就像我在採訪開始時說的那樣，我以為會看到猩猩到處在跑，結果什麼都沒看到。猩猩“泡泡”在哪兒？
MJ：（笑）動物們其實無處不在。它們現在自己的住處休息。白天它們才出來活動，到處跑，它們有自己的地盤和遊戲場所。
O：為什麼你這麼喜歡動物呢？
MJ：因為我在動物身上找到了和孩子身上相同的特質。純潔、誠實，它們不會來評判你，不會想從你身上得到什麼，它們只想和你做朋友。我覺得很可愛。
O：我也一樣。各位觀眾，現在我們是在MJ·傑克遜家裏作現場直播。和ABC電視臺說好維時90分鐘，但今晚我們剩下的時間已經不多了。
MJ：（笑）
O：我想我們現在已經清除了所有的謠言。沒有猩猩到處跑，沒有高壓氧艙。還有，你是否會減少抓襠次數？
MJ：（笑）問音樂吧。
O：問音樂你是否會減少抓襠次數。好的。噢，我們還沒有談到就職典禮的事情。你是否要求克林頓總統只請你一個獻唱？
MJ：簡直太荒謬了。這是我聽到的最愚蠢最瘋狂的故事之一。我為什麼只要自己表演，而不准別人上臺？太愚蠢了。太荒謬了。我從來都沒這麼想過，也從來沒有這樣說過。這又是有些人故意製造的聳人聽聞的故事，而全世界卻都相信了它。但它不是真的。絕不可信。
O：你最想要的是什麼——你最想讓世界瞭解你什麼？我剛才問過泰勒這個，現在你來回答：你想讓人們瞭解什麼？
MJ：你是問我想怎樣被人銘記嗎？
O：不，是你想讓人們瞭解到什麼。
MJ：噢，知道了。我想讓人們知道，我是一個藝人，一個出色的藝人。我熱愛歌唱，想得到人們的愛戴。無論我走到哪兒，都能得到世人的愛護。我從心底裏熱愛世界各族人民，真心
熱愛他們！
O：唔。影評人Gene Siskel曾經問過我這樣一個問題，我很欣賞這個問題，所以我也打算問問你。
MJ：是什麼問題？
O：你現在已經34歲了。你對什麼深信不疑？
MJ：我對什麼深信不疑？
O：你對什麼深信不疑？
MJ：喔，我還在學習。我的意思是，生活就是一課。我不能說什麼深信不疑。這個我由衷相信。
O：我無比感謝你接受我們的採訪，希望你生活愉快。我在這兒很開心，這裏確實令我童心大起。我剛才就決定，在我採訪完後，一定要去坐坐摩天輪！
MJ：（笑）
O：這就是我打算要做的，脫掉高跟鞋，坐坐摩天輪！
MJ：（繼續笑著）
O：好好樂一樂，吃點爆米花，或許，最後你還可以教教我跳“太空步”——當然不能被人看見。
MJ：好的！好的！聽上去不錯。
O：對，好玩啊！
MJ：是的，我們會玩得很開心的！
他們一起離開了影劇院，前往遊樂園。
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Michael Jackson Talks To Oprah
Oprah: Michael Jackson's house is nothing like anyone would expect. I thought there were going to be a few llamams walking around the living room and maybe some - uh - chimps jumping around. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't dead wrong. There are plenty of mind-boggling areas on this 2700 acre ranch, which you'll see in the next 90 minutes. But, where Michael Jackson eats, and where he sleeps and where he lives is quite simply a beautiful home. There is a library here filled with leather bound classics and art work on the walls, not at all what we thought we'd find. Before we meet the man who lives here, it's important to know where he came from, for his history is nothing short of incredible.
(video clip of Michael and his family as he grew up)
Oprah: Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Jackson!
(Michael enters the living room)
Oprah: How nervous are you?
Michael: How what?
Oprah: How nervous are you right now?
Michael: I'm not nervous at all, actually.
Oprah: You really aren't?
Michael: No, I never get nervous.
Oprah: Not even for your first interview and it's live around the world? I thought you'd be a little nervous, but if you're not and that's great because if you're not nervous I won't be nervous. I just wanted to let the world know that when we agreed to do this interview you said you would be willing to talk to me about everything.
Michael: That's true.
Oprah: Very true. I was watching you in the background there watching you in the video of the early years. Did that bring back memories for you?
Michael: It made me giggle because I haven't seen that footage for a long time. Did it bring back memories? Yes, me and my brothers who I love dearly and it's just a wonderful moment for me.
Oprah: I saw you laugh when you saw yourself singing "Baby, Baby, Baby".
Michael: Yeah, I think James Brown is a genious, you know, when he's with the Famous Flames, unbelievable. I used to watch him on the television and I used to get angry at the camera-man because whenever he would really start to dance they would be on a close-up so I couldn't see his feet. I'd shout "show him, show him", so I could watch and learn.
Oprah: So he was a big mentor for you?
Michael: Phenomenal, phenomenal.
Oprah: Who else was?
Michael: Jackie Wilson, who I adore as an entertainer, and of course music, Motown. The Bee Gees who are brilliant, I just love great music.
Oprah: When I look at those tapes of you, and heaven knows, putting this together I think I've seen every piece of video done of you, and watching those tapes when, especially in the younger years, you seem to really come alive on stage. Were you as happy off stage as you appear to be on stage?
Michael: Well, on stage for me was home. I was most comfortable on stage but once I got off stage, I was like, very sad.
Oprah: Really?
Michael: Yes.
Oprah: And sad from the beginning, sad since it first started, why so sad?
Michael: Lonely, sad, having to face popularity and all that. There were times when I had great times with my brothers, pillow fights and things, but I was, used to always cry from loneliness.
Oprah: Beginning at what age?
Michael: Oh, very little, eight, nine.
Oprah: When you all became famous?
Michael: Yes.
Oprah: So it wasn't what it all appeared to be to the rest of the world, all of us...I remember I was a little black child, I wanted to marry Jackie Jackson, your brother, so I mean to all of us we thought this was the most wonderful thing in the world, who wouldn't have wanted that life?
Michael: It was wonderful, there's a lot of wonderment in being famous. I mean you travel the world, you meet people, you go places, it's great. But then there's the other side, which I'm not complaining about. There is lots of rehearsal and you have to put in a lot of your time, give a lot of yourself.
Oprah: Do you feel....I talked to Suzanne de Passe the other day, and Suzanne de Passe worked with you at Motown and really groomed you all and found the outfits for the Ed Sullivan show. We talked about whether or not it was really lost, was it?
Michael: Well, especially now I come to realize - and then - I would do my schooling which was three hours with a tutor and right after that I would go to the recording studio and record, and I'd record for hours and hours until it's time to go to sleep. And I remember going to the record studio and there was a park across the street and I'd see all the children playing and I would cry because it would make me sad that I would have to work instead.
Oprah: I want to go to this and show some pictures of you as a young boy.
Michael: OK.
(video footage of young Michael)
Oprah: Suzanne said it was a heavy price, I want to know how big of a price it was, losing your childhood or having this kind of life?
Michael: Well, you don't get to do things that other children get to do, having friends and slumber parties and buddies. There were none of that for me. I didn't have friends when I was little. My brothers were my friends.
Oprah: Was there ever a place where - because you know children - because I remember talking to myself and playing with my dolls - was there...and I think every child needs a place to escape into, a child's world, a child's imagination, was there ever a time you could do that?
Michael: No. And that is why I think because I didn't have it then, I compensate for that. People wonder why I always have children around, becasue I find the thing that I never had through them, you know Disneyland, amusement parks, arcade games. I adore all that stuff because when I was little it was always work, work, work from one concert to the next. If it wasn't a concert it was the recording studio, if it wasn't that it was TV shows or picture sessions. There was always something to do.
Oprah: Did you feel - Smokey Robinson said this about you, and you have so many other people, that you were like an old soul in a little body.
Michael: I remember hearing that all the time when I was little. They used to call me a 45 year-old midget wherever I went. I just used to hear that and wherever I went...just like when some people said when you were little and you started to sing did you know you were that good? And I say I never thought about it, I just did it and it came out. I never thought about it really.
Oprah: So here you were, Michael Jackson, you all had hits, you all had so many hits - four hits in a row - and you were crying because you couldn't be like other kids.
Michael: Well, I loved show business and I still love show business, but then there are times you just want to play and have some fun and that part did make me sad. I rememeber one time we were getting ready to go to South America and everything was packed up and in the car ready to go and I hid and I was crying because I really did not want to go, I wanted to play. I did not want to go.
Oprah: Were your brothers jealous of you when you started getting all the attention?
Michael: Not that I know of, no.
Oprah: You never felt a sense of jealousy?
Michael: Oh, let me think, no. No, I think they were always happy for me that I could do certain things, but I've never felt jealousy among them.
Oprah: Do you think they are jealous of you now?
Michael: I wouldn't think so. I don't think so, no.
Oprah: No. What's your relationship with your family? Are you close still?
Michael: I love my family very much. I wish I could see them a little more often than I do. But we understand because we're a show business family and we all work. We do have family day when we all get together, we pick a person's house, it might be Jermaine's house or Marlon's house or Tito's house and everyone will come together in fellowship and love eachother and talk and catch up on who's doing what and...
Oprah: You weren't all upset about LaToya and LaToya's book and the things that LaToya has said about the family?
Michael: Well, I haven't read LaToya's book. I just know that I love my sister dearly, I love LaToya and I always will and I always see her as the happy, loving LaToya that I remember growing up with. So I couldn't completely answer on that.
Oprah: Do you feel that some of the things that she's been saying are true?
Michael: I couldn't answer Oprah, honestly I haven't read the book. That's the honest truth.
Oprah: Well, let's go back to when you were growing up and feeling all of this, well, I guess it's a sence of anguish, I guess, so there was no one for you to play with othere than your brothers. You never had slumber parties?
Michael: Never.
Oprah: So I'm wondering for you, being this cute little boy who everybody adopted and everybody who comes up to you they're pulling your cheeks and how cute, how adolescence going through that duck stage where everything's akward, and I'm wondering when you started to go through adolescence having been this child superstar, was that a particularly difficult time for you?
Michael: Very, very, very difficult, yes. Because I think every child star suffers through this period because you're not the cute and charming child that you were. You start to grow, and they want to keep you little forever.
Oprah: Who's they?
Michael: The public. And um, nature takes it's course.
Oprah: It does.
Michael: Yes, and I had pimples so badly it used to make me so shy. I used not to look at myself. I'd hide my face in the dark, I wouldn't want to look in the mirror and my father teased me and I just hated it and I cried everyday.
Oprah: Your father teased you about your pimples?
Michael: Yes and tell me I'm ugly.
Oprah: Your father would say that?
Michael: Yes he would. Sorry Joseph.
Oprah: What's your relationship like with him?
Michael: I love my father but I don't know him.
Oprah: Are you angry with him for doing that? I think that's pretty cruel actually.
Michael: Am I angry with him?
Oprah: Because adolescence is hard enough without a parent telling you that you're ugly.
Michael: Am I angry with him? Sometimes I do get angry. I don't know him the way I'd like to know him. My mother's wonderful. To me she's perfection. I just wish I could understand my father.
Oprah: And so let's talk about those teen years. Is that when you started to go inside yourself? Because obviously you haven't spoken to the world for 14 years. So you went inside, you became a recluse. Was it to protect yourself?
Michael: I felt there wasn't anything important for me to say, and those were sad, sad years for me.
Oprah: Why so sad? Because on stage you were performing, you were getting your Grammys. Why so sad?
Michael: Oh, there's a lot of sadness about my past and adolescence, about my father and all of those things.
Oprah: So he would tease you, make fun of you.
Michael: Yes.
Oprah: Would he...did he ever beat you?
Michael: Yes.
Oprah: And why would he beat you?
Michael: He saw me, he wanted me, I guess...I don't know if I was his golden child or whatever, but he was very strict, very hard, very stern. Just a look would scare you.
Oprah: And were you scared of him?
Michael: Very. Like, there's been times when he'd come to see me, I'd get sick, I'd start to regurgitate.
Oprah: As a child or as an adult?
Michael: Both. He's never heard me say this. I'm sorry, please don't be mad at me.
Oprah: Well I mean, I suppose everybody has to take responsibility for what they've done in life. And your father is one of those people who also have to take responsibility.
Michael: But I do love him.
Oprah: Yes. I understand this.
Michael: And I am forgiving.
Oprah: But can you really forgive?
Michael: I do forgive. There's so much garbage and so much trash that's written about me it is so untrue, they're complete lies, and those are some of the things I wanted to talk about. The press has made up so much...God...awful, horrifying stories...it has made me realize the more often you hear a lie, I mean, you begin to believe it.
(commercial break)
Oprah: Um, we talked about all of the rumors just before we went to the break and there are so many. First of all, I have been in this house getting prepared for this and I've been all over the house, upstairs when you weren't looking, looking for that oxygen chamber, and I cannot find an oxygen chamber anywhere in the house.
Michael: That, that story is so crazy, I mean it's one of those tabloid things, it's completely made up.
Oprah: (picture of Michael in an oxygen chamber shown on camera) OK, but you are in something there, there's a picture of you, where did that come from? How did it get started?
Michael: That's...I did a commercial for Pepsi and I was burned very badly and we settled for 1 million dollars and I gave all the money...like, we bulit this place called the Michael Jackson Burn Centre and that's a piece of technology used for burn victims, right. So I'm looking at the piece of technology and decide to go inside it and just to hammer around, somebody takes the picture, when they process the picture the person who processes the picture says, "Oh Michael Jackson". He made a copy and these pictures went all over the world with this lie attached to it. It's a complete lie, why do people buy these papers? It's not the truth I'm here to say. You know, don't judge a person, do not pass judgement, unless you have talked to them one on one. I don't care what the story is, do not judge them because it is a lie.
Oprah: You're right and that story, it was just like it had legs.
Michael: It's crazy. Why would I want to sleep in a chamber? (laughs)
Oprah: The rumor was that you were sleeping in the chamber because you didn't want to grow old.
Michael: That's stupid. It's completely made up. I'm embarrassed. I'm willing to forgive the press, or forgive anybody, I was taught to love and forgive, which I do have in my heart, but please don't believe these crazy, horrifying things.
Oprah: Did you buy the Elephant man's bones? Were you trying to get them for...
Michael: No. That's another stupid story. I love the story of the Elephant man, he reminds me of me a lot, and I could relate to it, it made me cry because I saw myself in the story, but no I never asked for the...where am I going to put some bones?...
Michael: ....and why would I want some bones?
Oprah: I don't know. So where did that story come from?
Michael: Someone makes it up, and everybody believes it. If you hear a lie often enough, you start to believe it.
Oprah: Yes and people make money selling tabloids.
Michael: Yes
Oprah: All right. Just recently there was a story, and I know one of your attorneys held a news conference, there was a story about you wanting to have a little white boy play you in a Pepsi commercial.
Michael: That is so stupid. That is the most ridiculous, horrifying story I've ever heard. It's crazy. Why, number one, it's my face as a child in the commercial, me when I was little, why would I want a white child to play me? I'm a black American, I am proud of my race. I am proud of who I am. I have a lot of pride and dignity. That's like you wanting an oriental person to play you as a child. Does that make sense?
Oprah: OK, then let's go to the thing that is most discussed about you, that is, the color of your skin...is most obviously different than when you were younger, and so I think it has caused a great deal of speculation and controversy as to what you have done or are doing, are you bleaching your skin, and is your skin getting lighter because you don't like being black?
Michael: Number one, as far as I know of there is no such thing as skin bleaching. I have never seen it, I don't know what it is.
Oprah: Well they used to have those products, I remember growing up always hearing "always use bleach and glow", but you have to have about 300,000 gallons.
Michael: OK, but number one, this is the situation. I have a skin disorder that destroys the pigmentation of my skin, it's something that I cannot help, OK? But when people make up stories that I don't want to be what I am it hurts me.
Oprah: So it is...
Michael: It's a problem for me that I can't control...but what about all the millions of people who sit out in the sun, to become darker, to become other than what they are. No one says nothing about that.
Oprah: So when did this start? When did your...when did the color of your skin start to change?
Michael: Oh boy, I don't....sometime after Thriller, around Off The Wall, Thriller, sometime around then.
Oprah: But what did you think?
Michael: It's in my family, my father said it's on his side. I can't control it, I don't understand. I mean it makes me very sad. I don't want to go into my medical history because that is private, but that's the situation here.
Oprah: So OK, I just want to get this straight, you are not taking anything to change the color of your skin?
Michael: Oh God no, we tried to control it and using make-up evens it out because it makes blotches on my skin. I have to even out my skin. But you know what's funny, why is that so important? That's not important to me. I'm a great fan of art. I love Michaelangelo, if I had a chance to talk to him or read about him I would want to know what inspired him to become who he is, the anatomy of his craftsmanship, not about who he went out with last night....what's wrong with....I mean that's what is important to me.
Oprah: How much plastic surgery have you had?
Michael: Very, very little. I mean you can count on my two fingers. I mean let's say this, if you want to know about those things, all the nosey people in the world, read my book Moonwalk, it's in my book. You know, let's put it this way, if all the people in Hollywood who have had plastic surgery, if they went on vacation, there wouldn't be a person left in town.
Oprah: Mmmm, I think you might be right.
Michael: I think I am right. It would be empty.
Oprah: Did you start having plastic surgery because of those teen years because of not liking the way you looked?
Michael: No, not really. It was only two things. Really, get my book, it's no big deal.
Oprah: You don't want to tell me what it is? You had your nose done, obviously...
Michael: Yeah, but so did a lot of people that I know.
Oprah: And so, when you hear all these things about you, and there have been more...
Michael: I've never had my cheekbones done, never had my eyes done, never had my lips done and all this stuff, they just go too far...
Oprah: Are you pleased with the way you...
Michael: I'm never pleased with anything, I'm a perfectionist, it's part of who I am.
Oprah: And so when you look in the mirror now and see the image that looks back at you are there days when you say I kinda like this, or I like the way my hair...
Michael: No, I'm nev...
Oprah: ....or I'm kinda cute today...
Michael: ...(giggles)...cute today....no, I'm never pleased with myself. No, I try not to look in the mirror.
Oprah: I have to ask you this, so many mothers in my audience have said to please ask you this question. Why do you grab your crotch?
Michael: (giggels) Why do I grab my crotch?
Oprah: You've got a thing with your crotch going on there.
Michael: I think it happens subliminally. When you're dancing, you know, you are just interpreting the music and the sounds and the accompaniment. If there's a driving base, if there's a chello, if there's a string, you become the emotion of what the sound is. So if I'm doing a movement and I go "Bam" and I grab myself it's...it's the music that compels me to do it. It's not that I'm saying that I'm dying to grab down there and it's not in a great place, you don't think about it, it just happens. Sometimes I'll look back at the footage and I go...and I go, "Did I do that?", so I'm a slave to the rhythm,...(smoke detectors go off in the house)...yeah, OK.
(commercial break - some of Michael's major achievements shown on tape)
Oprah: When you have broken all those records, when you have the number on album ever sold, when you've broken every record there is to break, when you become an icon of an industry, is there always the pressure to do something bigger and something better?
Michael: Oh gee, that is something, um, it makes it harder each time to follow up. You try be as original as you can be without thinking about statistics, just you go form the soul and from the heart.
Oprah: And so when you think of that what do you do, you go, you meditate, you think well now I will do the Superbowl.
Michael: Nooo....I just create out of my heart, really.
Oprah: Liz Taylor said you were king of pop, rock and soul. Where did this notion that you proclaimed yourself king of pop come from?
Michael: Well I didn't proclaim myself to be anything, I'm happy to be alive, I'm happy to be who I am. King of pop was first said by Elizabeth Taylor on one of the award shows. (the clip of Elizabeth saying this is shown)
Oprah: And that's where this all started?
Michael: Yes...and the fans...all the stadiums that we played at they'd bring banners saying king of pop and they chanted outside my hotel king of...so it became something that just happened all over the world.
Oprah: Do you go out, do you date?
Michael: Yes.
Oprah: Who do you date?
Michael: Well right now it's Brooke Shields. Well, we try not to be everywhere, go everywhere, it's mostly at home. She'll come over, I'll go to her houese, because I don't like going out in public.
Oprah: Have you ever been in love?
Michael: Yeah
Oprah: With Brooke Shields?
Michael: Yes, and another girl.
Oprah: And another girl? Let me ask you this, and it's embarrassing for me to ask you this, but I'm gonna ask you anyway, are you a virgin?
Michael: Uhhh....how could you ask me that question?
Oprah: I just want to know.
Michael: I'm a gentleman.
Oprah: You're a gentleman?
Michael: I'm a gentleman.
Oprah: I would interpret that to mean that you believe that a lady is a lady and therefore...
Michael: That's something that is private. I mean, it shouldn't be talked about openly. You can call me old fashioned if you want, but, you know, I mean that's very personal.
Oprah: So, you're not going to answer it?
Michael: I'm embarrassed.
Oprah: Well we would like to know whether or not there is a possibility that you are going to marry one day and have children?
Michael: I would feel like my life is incomplete if I do not because I adore the family life. I adore children and I adore that whole thing. And I would love to, that's one of my dreams, but I couldn't right now because I'm married, I'm married to my music and there has to be that closeness in order to do the kind of work that I want to do and...
Oprah: What kind of woman makes you...in the video we're going to see later, we premiere the world video....there's a line where you talk about being quenched, so what kind of a woman does that for you?
Michael: (singing) "Quench my desire"...Well Brooke, I've always liked her, and when I was little I used to stay with Diana Ross, me and my brothers stayed with her for years and I never said, but I always had a crush on her.
Oprah: You did?
Michael: Yes.
Oprah: I heard too, this was another one of those rumors, that you had proposed to Elizabeth Taylor at some point.
Michael: Elizabeth Taylor is gorgeous, beautiful, and she still is today, I'm crazy about her.
Oprah: Yeah, but did you propose to her?
Michael: I would like to have.
Oprah: Well, Elizabeth Taylor is here. Liz? Can we bring Liz out now? Liz had said she wanted to be here and hold your hand through this. You don't look like you need your hand held. Elizabeth Taylor!
Michael: Hi Elizabeth.
Oprah: Hi.
Elizabeth: Hi.
Oprah: Have a seat.
Elizabeth: Thank you.
Oprah: Did Michael ever propose to you?
Elizabeth: No! And I never proposed to him.
Oprah: Never did! What do you think is most misunderstood about Michael Jackson?
Elizabeth: All the things you mentioned. He is the least weird man I have ever known. He is highly intelligent, shrewd, intuitive, understanding, sympathetic, generous - to almost a fault, of himself.
Oprah: Uh huh.
Elizabeth: Uh, and he just, if, if he has any eccentricities it's that he is like larger than life and some people just cannot accept that or face it or understand it. His talent on stage, why I call him the king of pop, rock, soul, music, enetertainment, whatever...
Oprah: Yes
Elizabeth: ...there's nobody that can come near him. Nobody can dance like that, write the lyrics like that, the music, uh, cause the kind of excitement he does.
Oprah: And why do you think you all are such good friends? What has brought about this kind of bond? Because people try to make this weird.
Elizabeth: Well it's not. I mean our childhoods are very similiar, and we had that from the very beginning in common. Um, I was a child star at nine, had an abusive father, um, and that kind of brought us together in the very beginning.
Oprah: And what is it, I am going to ask Michael this question later on, but what is it you most want the world to know about him?
Elizabeth: What a wonderful, giving, caring, generous man he is, and how good he is.
Oprah: And he's funny too.
Elizabeth: Oh, he's wildly funny.
Oprah: He can crack some jokes, I tell you.
Elizabeth: Yes, but he is a good man.
Oprah: When we come back - Thank you for joining us too -
Elizabeth: That's fine.
Oprah: Cause I know you did not want to be on camera at first, but thank you. Coming up next, Michael is going to give us, not only a tour of his incredible amusement park and theatre, but also a very special dance performance. For all of you who say he is faking the Moonwalk with mirrors, we've got some proof coming up in a minute.
(commercial break - when the cameras come back Michael is driving Oprah to the movie theatre in a golf cart)
Oprah: Now this is what's shocking to me, that you even drive. What we're doing everybody, is that we are coming from Michael's house down to this amazing amusement park, which is oh, about several hundred yards from the house. And this is incredible.
Michael: Thank you.
Oprah: And I wnat to know whether or not you did this for yourself or did you do it for all the children that you entertain here?
Michael: For myself and the children.(he helps Oprah out of the cart) Every 3 weeks we - terminally ill children that come to uh -
Oprah: To the house?
Michael: Yes, yes.
Oprah: Make A Wish Foundation, Dream Street, Starlight, yes?
Michael: Every three weeks. And these are sick children, children with cancer. And I entertain them.
Oprah: Uh-huh.
Michael: And they come here to enjoy themselves.
Oprah: This is unbelievable. What I have to say is, these are, as I was talking to some kids that were here, these are not just grandma rides here. These are some major rides.
Michael: (laughs)
Oprah: I mean the Sea Dragon, the Ferris Wheel, and there's that Zipper over there.
Michael: The Wipeout.
Oprah: Yeah, the Wipeout and there are Bumper cars here, it's really -
Michael: Thank you. Well it brings out the child that lives in everybody. I love rides and things like that and I share it with the children.
Oprah: Were you able to that when you were a kid?
Michael: Not really. Sometimes, sometimes, but not often enough.
Oprah: But now you can anytime.
Michael: Everyday. It's right in my backyard.
Oprah: How often do you actually come out here and do this?
Michael: Whenever I'm here I come out and go on the rides.
Oprah: Well, is this a part of you, we were talking about earlier, the pain of growing up and not being able to experience all the things that kids normally experience and so now you are fullfilling all those fantasies.
Michael: To compensate, yes.
Oprah: Really?
Michael: Yes, it's very true.
Oprah: Do you think you can ever really recapture it though? Does it feel the same? I mean, I don't know.
Michael: (laughs) It's more fun.
Oprah: Really?
Michael: I wouldn't change the past if I could. I'm enjoying myself.
Oprah: And here we are inside the theatre. I had one too many sugar babies at that candy counter.
Michael: (laughs)
Oprah: But the candy is here for all the kids. Pinocchio is here, ET is here. Did you - what's fascinating to me about you is that obviously you have this child-like aura about you, and I see children with you and they play with you like you are one of them. But, a child did not do ths.
Michael: (laughs)
Oprah: A child did not put this together - this is really magnificent.
Michael: Well, thank you. I, I love to do things for children and I try to imitate Jesus - I am not saying I am Jesus, I'm not saying that.
Oprah: Yes, we're clear on that.
Michael: Right, I'm trying to imitate Jesus in the fact that he said to be like children, to love children, to be as pure as children and to make yourself as innocent and to see the world through eyes of wonderment and the whole magical quality of it all - and I love that. And we'll have like a hundred bald headed children, they all have cancer and they're all running around...
Oprah: Uh-huh.
Michael: ...and they are enjoying themselves and it makes me cry happy tears that I was able to do this for them, you know?
Oprah: Uh-huh.
Michael: Makes me so pleased inside.
Oprah: Well, when I came here to, um, about a month ago to shoot a commercial with you promoting tonight's event, one of the things that really impressed me the most - I hope you guys are getting shots of this. I don't know if you are, if all the cameras are on us, but - oh there are other cameras - is that there are, built inside the walls here - beds - beds for some of these sick children who come. And what I realized when I saw this is you have to be a person who really cares about children to build it into your architecture.
Michael: Yes, yes. We have children that come who are - intraveneously - they are very sick, bedridden...
Oprah: They can't sit up.
Michael: Right. They can't sit up, and these beds, they are hospital beds. You push a button you go up or you go down and they are able to watch. We have a magic show, we show the current films, there's cartoons, anything you know, anything so they can escape to that world of magic that they don't have a chance to experience, the world I was deprived of when I was little.
Oprah: Now let me ask you this. You know I believe everything happens in people's lives for a reason. Do you think that had you not missed a lot of, uh, the life and fun and fantasy of childhood that you would be so in touch with children today. Would you relate to them as you do?
Michael: I probably would, but not as much. That's why I wouldn't change a thing.
Oprah: Really?
Michael: Because I am happy with the way things are and my caring for young people and everything.
Oprah: Are you really happy now, because you seemed so sad for a long time.
Michael: (laughs) I was sad for years and years. But I'm happy, I'm getting there. Yes, I'm very happy.
Oprah: What makes you happier?
Michael: Being able to give back, you know, and to help other people.
Oprah: Uh-huh.
Michael: Heal The World Foundation which I've formed, which helps children in healing the world. We're doing Heal L.A which is, uh, we have 3 primary goals: Immunizing of children, mentoring a big brothers, big sisters program, and educating in drug abuse. Jimmy Carter has teamed up with us to do Heal Atlanta and we're going to go from state to state healing - you know we've gone to Sarajevo, we've done lots of places.
Oprah: I know, I know, we have photos from you all over the world where you are with all these children. One of the things I was saying before we went to the last break, before the alarm went off in the house and all that...
Michael: Yeah.
Oprah: ...is that, uh, we were talking about rumors. One of the strangest ones I heard was that when you're moonwalking you're faking it. That you have some mirrors in your socks someplace.
Michael: Oh, boy!
Oprah: And it's not really real.
Michael: No, that's not true.
Oprah: How did you, first of all, you know we've spent do much time trying to dispel the rumors, trying to get the truth out that I haven't really had an opportunity to talk to you about how you concieve your music, how you conceive the dance. Where did the moonwalk come from?
Michael: Well, the moonwalk came from these beautiful children, the black kids who live in the ghettos, the inner cities, who are brilliant, they just have that natural talent for dancing. Any of these new - the running man - any of these dances, they come up with these dances, all I did was enhance the dance.
Oprah: OK, I want to see you dance.
Michael: Oh, God, no, no.
Oprah: I want to see you dance. I want to see you dance, live.
Michael: No, no. I can show you a step or two. But, I'm a little rusty right now.
Oprah: A little rusty?
Michael goes onto the stage and does a few steps to Dangerous)
Michael: That's the moonwalk. Wait, you need to catch it from the sideways.
Oprah: You gotta turn sideways?
Michael: Are you from the front?
Oprah: Yeah, we got ya!
Michael: Catch it from the sideways!
Oprah: OK. Just show me slow motion. Could you show me slow motion?
Michael: OK, wait, it's like pushing and then there's like a popping type of thing.(stops dancing and comes down from the stage)
Michael: I'm sorry.
Oprah: (applauding) Well, I saw it live, I saw it live. And so you took it from the kids who were doing it?
Michael: Yeah, because um, I think they are the real dancers.
Oprah: Yeah. And when you are, for instance, when we were here before, when we were here before to shoot that commercial you were...
Michael: You were supposed to do this with me! (laughing)
Oprah: I don't know how to do this!
Michael: (laughing)
Oprah: You know I don't know how to do this!
Michael: (laughing)
Oprah: You know what? I mean all the things that were printed in the tabloids, the only one thing that's ever been true was when they said that I couldn't dance. Now that's the truth!
Michael: (laughs)
Oprah: When we were here the last time shooting the commercial, you were like in between shots running off and conceiving the dance, choreographing the dance, you were up all night dancing.
Michael: For the Superbowl?
Oprah: Yes, yes.
Michael: Yes, well...I'm never satisfied. Even when I see something I've done and people say oh it was phenomenal - when I did Motown 25 and I did the moonwalk for the first time, I was backstage crying afterwards.
Oprah: Why?
Michael: Because I was unhappy.
Oprah: You cried after Motown 25?
Michael: After Motown 25, yes. But then as I was walking to the car there was this little boy, he was like 12, a little Jewish kid, and he said "oooo, you were amazing,who taught you to ever dance like that?" And for the first time I felt like I did a good job. Because I know children don't lie and I just felt so good about it then.
Oprah: You wanted to, you felt so good, you probably wanted to say (imitating Michael) Hee-hee!
Michael: (laughs) Hee-hee!
Oprah: I want you to sing something a cappella for me, if you can.
Michael: Oh, no! What could I sing?
Oprah: Who Is It, you know do that whole little beat thing, since we're here in the theatre.
Michael: Oh, boy, what could I sing? Who Is It?
Oprah: Where did that hee-hee thing come from? Hee-hee.
Michael: I dunno it just came...hee-hee (starts to sing Who Is It)
Oprah: Owww! Fabulous!
Michael: I mean, you wanted me to do it. I get embarrassed. I'm sorry, I get embarrassed.
Oprah: I like it very much. Thank you very much for that. We're going to come back with more of Michael Jackson live. - That was great (hugs Michael - commercial break)
Oprah: One of the reasons we wanted to look at that piece when we went to break there was because music videos used to just be you, used to be just people singing their songs until you came along and changed music videos. Did you know when you first conceived your first one that was what you were doing?
Michael: Yeah. The idea was to make something that was a story so it had a beginning, a middle and an ending.
Oprah: Uh-huh.
Michael: So it felt like a mini movie, that's what I wnated to do. And that is what we did with Beat It and Thriller and Smooth Criminal and all those type of things.
Oprah: So when you start to look at a piece of work or look at a piece of music, are you thinking about how you are going to -
Michael: Sometimes. Yes, that's very true.
Oprah: Uh-huh. I wonder what it feels like, I will never know since I cannot sing one thing, but, what it feels like to be on stage with a sea of people, a sea of people. One of the things that impressed me in putting the peices together for you, is all around the world the responce to you is so incredible. I just wanted to, for the rest of you in the world who haven't seen how people respond to Michael Jackson to take a look.
(cuts to concert clips and crowd scenes from around the world)
Oprah: So when you're standing there and there's a sea of people around you, screaming your name as they were, what does it feel like?
Michael: Love. You just feel lots of love, and I feel blessed and honoured to be able to be an instrument of nature that was chosen to give them that, what I give them. I'm very honoured and happy about that.
Oprah: An instrument of nature - that's an interesting way to describe yourself.
Michael: Thank you, yes.
Oprah: Are you very spiritual?
Michael: In what sense?
Oprah: I mean, do you, do you meditate? Do you understand that there's someting bigger than yourself at work here?
Michael: I believe in God, absolutely, absolutely, very much.
Oprah: Uh-huh. And I believe everybody comes to the world for a reason. I think, um, most of us spend our lives trying to figure out what the purpose of our being here is. What do you think yours is?
Michael: My purpose?
Oprah: Uh-huh.
Michael: Oh boy. I think um, to give in the best way I can through song and through dance and through music. I mean, I am committed to my art. I believe that all art has as it's ultimate goal the union between the material and the spiritual, the human and the divine. I believe that to be the reason for the very existence of art.
Oprah: Uh-huh.
Michael: And um, I feel I was chosen as an instrument to just give music and love and harmony to the world. To children of all ages, and um, adults and teenagers.
Oprah: Do you think that by talking now, setting the record straight for yourself, that maybe people will be able to focus more attention to your music and not judge you for anything other than the kind of music that you play?
Michael: I would hope so. I would love that.
Oprah: Well, I hope that comes out of this too. I'm also excited that the world is watching, and because the world is watching, we thought this was a good time to let the world see the world premiere of Give In To Me.
(video of Give In To Me shown)
Oprah: So, we want to know how it starts on a piece of paper - "quench my desire" - and turns into that?
Michael: Well, Give In To Me, I wanted to write another song, you know that was kinda exciting and fun and had a rock edge to it. You know, like when I did Beat It and Black Or White. And Slash, who's a dear friend of mine - we love animals and things like that - he wanted to play guitar and I wanted him to play guitar. We got together and we went to Germany and we shot this thing in just like 2 hours. We had no time at all to shoot it. We wanted it to be like a rock concert and that's how it ends up - that's the result.
Oprah: You mentioned animals. I know everyone's going to ask me when I leave here where are all the animals? I said it in the opening, I expected chimps to be jumping all over the living room and I didn't see any. Where's Bubbles?
Michael: (laughs) Well, the animals are everywhere. They're in their habitats. They're all over the ranch. And they come out in the day time and they play and jump around, they have their own playground and area.
Oprah: Why, why were you so fascinated by animals, do you think - ?
Michael: Because I find in animals the same thing I find so wonderful in children. That purity, that honesty, where they don't judge you, they just want to be your friend. I think that is so sweet.
Oprah: I do too. We'll be right back with Michael Jackson Live.
(commercial break)
Oprah: We're live at Michael Jackson's house, in his theatre and we asked NBC for 90 minutes. I don't think it was enough time.
Michael: (laughs)
Oprah: I think we've cleared up all the rumors though. There are no chimps running around the house -
Michael: (laughs)
Oprah: No oxygen tank in the house. I don't know, are you going to lay off the crotch a little?
Michael: (laughs) Ask the music!
Oprah: Ask the music will you lay off the crotch. Oh, we didn't get to the inauguration. Did you tell President Clinton that you had to be the only person there singing?
Michael: That is horrible. That is the stupidest, craziest story that I have ever heard. I mean, why would I just want me and nobody else to be on the show, just me? That's so stupid, to me. I mean it's crazy. That's not even in my heart. I would never say anything like that. Again, somebody made it up and the whole world believed it. It's so false, it's incredible.
Oprah: What do you want, want most - what do you want the world to know about you most? I asked Liz that of you, what do you want them to know?
Michael: Like to be remembered for?
Oprah: Not to be remembered for - what about now? Forget remembered!
Michael: Oh known for now! As to be an artist, a great artist. I, I love what I do and I would love people to love what I do and to be loved. I just simply want to be loved wherever I go. All over the world, because I love people of all races from my heart with true affection.
Oprah: Hmmm. You know, Gene Siskel who's a movie critic asked me this question once. And I loved the question, so I am going to ask you.
Michael: Yeah?
Oprah: You're 34 years old. What do you know for sure?
Michael: Hmmm...what do I know for sure?
Oprah: What do you know for sure?
Michael: Oh boy, I'm still learning. I mean, life is an education for me. I can't say that I know anything for sure. I really believe that.
Oprah: I can't thank you enough for letting us in and I wish you all the happiness in the world. I loved being here because it makes me feel like a child again and one of the things I promised myself was that when this interview was over - live around the world - I was going to get on that Ferris Wheel.
Michael: (laughs)
Oprah: And that is exactly what I intend to do. I'm gonna take off my blue shoes and I'm gonna ride that Ferris Wheel.
Michael: (laughing)
Oprah: I'm gonna have a good time and have myself a little popcorn maybe, and maybe when it's all over you'll teach me how to do the moonwalk, when everybody's not looking!
Michael: OK, OK, that sounds good!
Oprah: Yeah! This was fun!
Michael: Yeah! Lots of fun!
(Michael and Oprah leave the theatre together and go to the amusement park) (End)
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